As Microsoft rolls out the Windows 10 Fall Update,I thought it might be nice to share some information with you from other Land Surveyors about their upgrade experiences.

Most Land Surveyors and other Geomatics Professionals are probably already aware that upgrading to a new or updated Windows version can be tricky. A lot of Surveyors still use older software because “it just works”. Can you blame them? Once you find a good software that works the way you want, you prefer to stick with it. Of course, as many have experienced, the software developers disappear, go out of business, or simply just stop supporting their older projects. This makes it difficult to maintain the latest versions of operating system software, such as Windows, because new technologies can leave that old software behind.

It seems pretty safe to say so far that Windows 10 upgrade experiences have generally been pretty positive. The upgrade runs pretty smoothly and is more hands-off than with previous upgrades. But does your software still work? Even Autodesk doesn’t seem to sure of that yet.You may already be aware that Autodesk still hasn’t announced official support for Windows 10.

To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question, it seems.

I’ve been running a poll with the awesome members of SurveyorConnect for about 48 hours, to see if I could get a little insight into the matter. There have been other discussions previously about Windows 10, some folks showing frustration with the upgrade, while others were saying the upgrade went smoothly. Still others refuse to upgrade due to the privacy agreement attached to Windows 10.

So, without further ado, here are my initial findings. I expect to post follow-up articlesa time or two as the polling data changes, but I think this initial data collection is probably pretty accurate, even this early on.

The 48-hour data

In the first two days of polling, I’ve found that those who upgraded are pretty evenly tied with those who haven’t.

Have You Upgraded to Windows 10?

But here is where it gets more interesting.Those who did upgrade to Windows 10 overwhelmingly indicate that problems were minor or non-existent.

The Upgrade Experience to Windows 10

Why have the nay-sayers not yet upgraded to Windows 10?

Haven't Upgraded to Windows 10 Because...

Now let’s put that all together.

Have You Upgraded to Windows 10? more

So it seems that an upgrade to Windows 10 is a pretty safe bet, based on these poll results (so far). Additionally, the data seems to indicate that many aren’t upgrading simply because they don’t expect it to go well. As I stated before, I’ll revisit the results after more data is collected and we’ll see how these initial figures hold up.

Wendell Harness, PLS

Wendell was a Land Surveyor for 26 years, then moved on to building websites for his second career. But he never lost sight of the surveying community and the other disciplines related to surveying. He’s purposely stayed involved in the surveying industry because he has always been โ€” and will continue to be โ€” a Land Surveyor at heart.

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88 comments on “Are Surveyors Upgrading to Windows 10?

  1. I have not been able to get my data collectors to connect to a new laptop w/Windows 10 on it through a USB connector.  Googled the issue and found others are experiencing the same issue.

  2. I greatly object to Microsoft's terms and conditions for using win10.

    I value my privacy and I don't want my operating systems snooping and reporting.

    I see no advantage to the new features offered in win10.

    I will not be upgrading.

  3. I just purchased a refurbished laptop on eBay for a whopping $325.  It came with 8 GB Ram and Windows Home 32-bit (only 3.2 or 3.28 GB used).  I upgraded to 10 without too much issue with the frustrating exception that they still have a 32-but version of 10.  Why?  Why did they sell the system and why did Windows keep 32-bit?

    I have an old laptop that broke.  It has 7-pro-64, so I will try popping that drive in and see if I can get it to work in the new machine.  Then I will take that old and dirty copy of 7 that was used for 5+ years and make the upgrade to see if it works.  This old laptop was the system I purchased before I upgraded the office to 7 from XP.  I was able to sort out so many bugs of conversion and I knew to wait for the HP 1050 drivers to be released.

    I am not sure if I will upgrade the whole office or not.  I will see after I demo this machine.  As I am the first stop with tech questions and as I am a grumpy person who does not want to be bothered with tech questions, I may stick with 7 for as long as possible.

  4. The only way I will make that jump would be that it be forced upon me.

    Even if that were to happen, I would probably stop using a computer for anything new or online and simply use my phone.

  5. I updated my Windows 7 a week or so ago… it was taking forever, literally hours. It turns out that the Ready for Windows 10 was being automatically downloaded (it was at 3GB and growing). I shut off the machine. I then deleted both of the Windows partitions, and the other NTFS formated partitions just for good measure. (windows can access them, but not the ext3 and ext4 formatted partitions that I use for Linux) (every bit of Data was already backedup, and archived too). the end of that era for me.

    This morning I re-taught myself how to run Virtual Box. I then installed Windows 7 in a box, then I installed LDD 2004. I still had the original CDs and codes, no big deal. Both installed Much quicker in the virtual drive than on a conventional hard drive. I did not connect to the internet and update anything or install any virus software or firewalls, it is not needed. None of those "updates" did anything for me, they were just to protect me from the vulnerable MS code. Everything works fine, no issues. (It can Not connect to the internet unless I specifically permit it, and I will not.) It runs a tiny bit slower, but BFD.

    I have not used windows for any internet dependent things for several years, it is just too damn slow… especially with they many layers of virus protection and firewalls. This made for a long day but the effort is worth it.

    Windows 10? maybe, just to play. But only in a Cage, where it belongs.

    yes, I am biased

    Wendell: I will not be checking any of the boxes on your poll, they don't apply, thanks.

  6. Most of my machines are running Win7 Pro and I did update to non-essentials to check out Win10.  My home computer, it wasn't that much of a improvement.  I like the interface.   I haven't used Win8.   I've seen it but never really used it.   My home computer did not gain any speed and in actuality is slower in my own opinion.   I did another computer at the office to let the kids play.   They complain that it is slower than the Win7 machine and an older WinXP machine.   I haven't had time to try it out.   Still haven't pulled the trigger to install on my office computer.   I think I will wait for a few more updates and to see how some of the issues iron out.   One specific is the continuous connection to the internet.    The other issue is it won't be be free after some certain date.   Not sure when that is.   I don't mind moving up (unlike some people) but I do have reservations with all of the negativity about it.

  7. No to Windows 10. Not now. Not planned.

    Do not like interface.

    Do not like Microsoft monitoring everything.

    Do not want to be continuously connected to the internet.

    Do not want to use Flash and do not want to use Javascript.

    Will continue to use Mac with older system.

    When Macs get bad enough, I'll switch to Unix or Linux.

    After that, I'll probably be pushing up daisies.

  8. Note that the first major update is scheduled for November 12, so it's entirely possible (or not) that many issues will be resolved. We'll see.

    Also, I truly appreciate the honest feedback thus far. I knew you guys wouldn't pull any punches. ๐Ÿ™‚

  9. Im running win 10 and autocad c3d 2016

    some bugs but if you disable hardware acceleration its working crash free

    you dont have to have a microsoft account to run windows 10 but when you set it up it appears that way

    I only upgrade because hardware becomes obsolete

    a replacement printer might be hard to find in 5 years if your still running win 7

  10. Upgraded all of my machines about a month ago. I love W10. All the good stuff from 8 and 7. I really really liked 7. But I think 10 is better. Or at least that has been my experience.

  11. I've upgraded all of my machines with only minor issues, but most of my software is recent so that helped.  My Peachtree Complete Accounting 2012 survived the upgrade to Win10 but lost the ability to natively create pdf's and email them (could still create pdf's using Adobe then manually attach to email).  My attempts to update the pdf driver to a Win10 compliant driver resulted in having to reinstall Peachtree.  Oddly, even though Peachtree survived the upgrade to Win10 and was functioning fine, it will not reinstall.  Gotta love progress.

  12.   Gotta love progress.

    [sarcasm]I do? I've been hating some progress all these years for no reason?[/sarcasm]o.O

  13. I find it runs fine; probably faster than Windows 7. No issues with running it in VM's either. Light years better than 8.1.

  14. I'm running it on two of my five machines.  I have not had any problem with Windows 10 with the exception of the lake of drivers for my HP Design Jet 800.  Most of my software is current, or at least not that old, but I do have LDD 2009 working fine.  Some stuff takes a little getting used to but it always good to stretch the old grey matter.

    I will be making the switch of the final machines when I determine if the processing software for my rail cart works well with 10 & I figure out how to best implement my peer-to-peer server on 10.

  15. Hi

    Has anyone experienced a error cannot install drive is locked? And offer solutions?  WindowsUpdate error code C1900101 dt000

    Not a big deal as win 7 is operating fine, but its a bit frustrating.

    HP Z440 Workstation with SSD installed by supplier seems to be the issue. We found no bitlocker encryption, no HP drive lock. Have used HP system and drive checks, chkdsk /f And Scandisk etc.  Have disabled anti virus and other programmes.

    Intel Xeon E5-1620 v3 processor 3.50GHz, 16.0 ram 64 bit Win 7 pro

    Autodesk Infrastructure Design Suite 2016 (Civil 3d)

    Other workstations running engineering and architectural software, with no apparent issues.  We have an old print/plotter server that cannot be updated and will eventually be scrapped along with the old Richo A0 plotter scanner.

    Home computer and laptops running Windows 10, no issues.

  16. Mostly win 7 around here, with an XP machine sprinkled in.

    Can't check any of your poll, as my answer would be upgrade, but at the last possible second.  That should give MS a chance to iron most of the bugs out.

  17. the pole questions were changed and now "Results are only viewable after voting."

    none apply so I am locked out? should I make a bogus vote?

  18. I tried it at least four times over the last few weeks, including the new update last night. I always rolled it back to Win 7 because of blurry text issues on my autocad c3d, Carlson 2016, Topcon Tools, and billing program. When I tried the new big update last night all my above listed program icons were missing when Win 10 started. I got out of there in a hurry.

    Ans: I tried it and found the installation flawless, the mechanics not much different or better than Windows 7, and unworkable because of the eyestrain of reading text on my "older" programs which work fine with Win 7. I reverted to Win 7.

  19. Thanks goodness the process of reverting back to Win 7 only takes 5 minutes. One has to wonder, though, how much of Win 10 still lurks on the SSD, waiting for my next moment of weakness.

  20. There seems to be an answer missing.

    Below " No, but I plan to make the jump after a service pack or two has been released." and above "No, I will never use Windows 10. Ever." is where I fall.

    So I don't plan on making the jump any time soon. But at some point I realize that the computer industry will no longer support Windows 7 and I'll have to upgrade at that point.

  21. But at some point I realize that the computer industry will no longer support Windows 7 and I'll have to upgrade at that point.

    That point is when I plan to move completely to Linux

  22. I installed the "November Win 10 update" last night. They seem to have cured my blurry text problems. Data collector is communicating fine. All systems seem to be fine so far.

  23. In the middle of getting a 'upgrade to win 1 1511.10586' on the 2 machines, that I have on win 10, win 10 home 64 bit and win10 pro 32bit, seems to be a 'major' upgrade considering to time it's taking to download and install. We will have to wait and see how all this goes. I haven't had any problems before, except the "hazy" text , which seems to fix itself back in early August and I think that was a screen resolution problem.

  24. Curiously, both upgrades show a 2016 copyright date??

    How is it going, Doug?

      I finally bailed out of Win 10 again tonight  back to Win 7. The computer seemed to be awfully sluggish in Win 10. I checked the RAM usage and found that Cortana was using 50% as much as Civil 3D.

  25. So far, so good, a far as 'Cortana' and most of the "new and improve" features, I have them turned off!

    I didn't try that. Maybe i'll give that a try, Doug.

  26. Mostly having trouble with Edge the new browser that is the default with Windows 10.  Edge does not support Silverlight, research sites such a Multnomah County do not work.  WA DNR Survey Archive's viewer will not work with Edge and no fix is planned.

    Nesting of folders using the cntl+D command to save websites to the 'favorites' is not working on my 10 machine.

    Windows 10 causes some fuzziness in text displays on high resolution monitors.  This fixable by modification of the properties of the exe file of the effected software.  

    Windows mobile devices app works much better in 10, having no hangs when syncing to the collectors.

    I like the improved 'print' function in the edge browser.

    bridge

  27. Status update, so I still have not upgraded my new cheap laptop to 10.  I got intellicad and Carlson Point Cloud on the machine and I have been playing.  Is there a time limit on the free upgrade?

  28. I'm using Win 10 on my home laptop, which has Civil 3D 2015 installed on it, and my only real complaint at this point in time is that the Edge browser doesn't support add-ins, including ones that Microsoft wrote (like Silverlight).  This makes browsing municipal website applications just about impossible.  However, I've just removed Edge from my taskbar and pinned IE11 in it's place – which has resolved my complaints.  Other than that, it's great.

  29. Window 10 Edge not working in support of Trimble Business Centers Style Sheet Reporter.  Have to use the older IExplorer.  The issue seems to be Edge's unwillness to open a .htm file.

    bridge

  30. I sort of accidentally clicked on something in a Windows 10 upgrade box today that appears not to be reversible until after the upgrade.  So at 11:00 p.m. PST, I'll be dancing with Windows 10.  I'm crossing my fingers…

  31. I sort of accidentally clicked on something in a Windows 10 upgrade box today that appears not to be reversible until after the upgrade.  So at 11:00 p.m. PST, I'll be dancing with Windows 10.  I'm crossing my fingers…

    They tricked me also, I was in a hurry and the box said update later as an option and I checked it and it said it was going to start the preparation which I was not wanting it too.

  32. My hard drive fried and I had to start over. What better time? It seemed to run real well in my old quad core with 6gb ram. I noticed my old atom based netbook sitting idle and figured what the heck, load it up. So far both are performing awesome..

  33. best of luck. I have heard that it is reversible, just a rumor

    It appears that I've been granted a reprieve.  An hour before the scheduled upgrade, I got a countdown box with a little "I'm not ready" link in the lower left corner.  I clicked it and got this:

    I clicked Yes.  Windows 7 lives to see another day!

  34. We had a guy try to update his computer in the MIDDLE OF THE WORKDAY yesterday. It was a total fail! His computer started an infinite loop of a black screen and then switched to an explorer window and then black screen. Then when we edited the registry (still not sure how we got it to open the regedit.) and followed some instructions online, the user account no longer had a password that would work. I just boxed the computer up to send to my IT contractor. :-(:-(

  35. Hi

    Has anyone experienced a error cannot install drive is locked? And offer solutions?  WindowsUpdate error code C1900101 dt000

    Not a big deal as win 7 is operating fine, but its a bit frustrating.

    HP Z440 Workstation with SSD installed by supplier seems to be the issue. We found no bitlocker encryption, no HP drive lock. Have used HP system and drive checks, chkdsk /f And Scandisk etc.  Have disabled anti virus and other programmes.

    Intel Xeon E5-1620 v3 processor 3.50GHz, 16.0 ram 64 bit Win 7 pro

    Autodesk Infrastructure Design Suite 2016 (Civil 3d)

    Other workstations running engineering and architectural software, with no apparent issues.  We have an old print/plotter server that cannot be updated and will eventually be scrapped along with the old Richo A0 plotter scanner.

    Home computer and laptops running Windows 10, no issues.

    We have all but updated all our work computers now.  Have gone back to the HPZ440 workstation again and had multiple problems. But eventually tested the original drive and found it updated to Win 10 fine, just not with the added SSD as primary drive…still working on it…

    One other PC has an error when trying to open AutoCAD and Civil 3D etc. A missing MSVCP110.dll which seems to be a common issue, related to Microsoft Visual C++ … we have tried several fixes and updates, still working on it…

    Frustrating and annoying loss of productivity. Getting a sore forehead from bashing against brick walls.

  36. I'm hearing from my guys that TGO will not run with WIN10, this will be unacceptable since almost all old GPS data is stored there.

  37. We have all but updated all our work computers now.  Have gone back to the HPZ440 workstation again and had multiple problems. But eventually tested the original drive and found it updated to Win 10 fine, just not with the added SSD as primary drive…still working on it…

    One other PC has an error when trying to open AutoCAD and Civil 3D etc. A missing MSVCP110.dll which seems to be a common issue, related to Microsoft Visual C++ … we have tried several fixes and updates, still working on it…

    Frustrating and annoying loss of productivity. Getting a sore forehead from bashing against brick walls.

    For a while it seemed like a conspiracy against me and the computers I wanted to use Civil 3D on, not be able to upgrade to Win 10.  We tried very hard to avoid a fresh install, as we did not want to reinstall and reconfigure software.

    The HP Z440 has now been successfully upgraded.  A computer technician tried reconnecting the SSD to a different port on the motherboard, plugged in his WIN 10 USB, after uttering some magic words the upgrade worked.

    The other issue of missing .dll file is yet to be resolved.

  38. Im running win 10 and autocad c3d 2016

    some bugs but if you disable hardware acceleration its working crash free

    you dont have to have a microsoft account to run windows 10 but when you set it up it appears that way

    I only upgrade because hardware becomes obsolete

    a replacement printer might be hard to find in 5 years if your still running win 7

    eBay. I still buy HP 1220's there.

  39. ebay is great. lots of "obsolete" hardware, that really is not obsolete, just not supported by some software.

    I have accumulated a fleet of T61 Thinkpads (2008 vintage+/-), all at about $100 each. Only one out of 5 is problematic, the others are in daily use for email, web browsing, file backups, servers, etc. Windows is bloated so it runs a bit slow on them. However Linux is positively snappy, even compared to a 2nd Generation Intel?Core i7-2630QM Processor, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560M GPU, with 16GB of ram running Windows 7.

    Reuse, the best way to Recycle.

  40. I've never been a fan of upgrading an operating system. I think it is best to buy a new computer or completely format the hard drive and start over. I had a water line break in my office and the water got my computer. I had Windows 7 and bought a new computer with Windows 10. I have not had any major problems with 10. I run Carlson Survey 2011 with the ACAD engine. About the only problem I have noticed is when editing an image. With 7 I could right click on the image and the edit menu would come up. It won't with 10 – i have to go to the view button. There might be a way to change this but I really haven't tried to figure it out.

    I did upgrade my laptop that had 8 to 10 with no problems. I do like 10 a lot better than 8. My favorite operating system was XP.

  41. No to Windows 10. Not now. Not planned.

    Do not like interface.

    Do not like Microsoft monitoring everything.

    Do not want to be continuously connected to the internet.

    Do not want to use Flash and do not want to use Javascript.

    Will continue to use Mac with older system.

    When Macs get bad enough, I'll switch to Unix or Linux.

    After that, I'll probably be pushing up daisies.

    MLSchumann, just curious but how do you run a survey business without a Windows Operation System.  I've been thinking of linux myself but too many survey programs won't run on it.

  42. Anyone install parallels in or on a Mac and run carlsons? We are running carlsons software 2014 on dell computers window 7pro. Wondering if we could switch to mac.

  43. I have used VMWare Fusion to install Windows on my MacBook Pro. It has worked flawlessly, even through 2 OS upgrades on my Mac. I haven't specifically used Carlson software on the Windows VM, but based upon the performance of AutoCAD, MS Office, and countless other Windows apps, I'd say there's a good chance it will work.

    They important thing is to have robust hardware on your Mac. You'll want a minimum of 8GB of RAM and the higher end processors are best to get positive results. But as far as issues of peripherals (printers, scanners, etc.) I've never had any issue with communications to/from these things via the VM.

  44. 1. Upgraded SWMBO's machine and lost the ability to print.

    2. Spent HOURS searching for solutions, including newer(and older) drivers – no help.

    3.Connected to different printer – can't print.

    4. Rolled back to Windows8 – can't print.

    5. Connectd to original printer – can't print.

    6. Spent HOURS looking for solutions, including newer (and older) drivers – no help.

    7. Had conniption fit.

    8. Told SWMBO, who promptly reminded me that she did not ask me to do anything to "her" computer.

    9. Contemplated driving to Washington and going postal at Microsoft.

    DONE

  45. 1. Upgraded SWMBO's machine and lost the ability to print.

    2. Spent HOURS searching for solutions, including newer(and older) drivers – no help.

    3.Connected to different printer – can't print.

    4. Rolled back to Windows8 – can't print.

    5. Connectd to original printer – can't print.

    6. Spent HOURS looking for solutions, including newer (and older) drivers – no help.

    7. Had conniption fit.

    8. Told SWMBO, who promptly reminded me that she did not ask me to do anything to "her" computer.

    9. Contemplated driving to Washington and going postal at Microsoft.

    DONE

    Is the printer plugged in?

    Connected to the computer(or network)?

  46. Is the printer plugged in?

    Connected to the computer(or network)?

    LOL – it was before I blew the whole mess to hell with the 12 guage!

  47. Windows automatically ugraded to windows 10 on my computer.  I am the only one who uses this computer, and I absolutely do not recall allowing MS offer to upgrade by clicking any button.  Now I am getting Carlson Registration Error 486, and Acad won't even load this evening.

    Not good.

  48. Windows automatically ugraded to windows 10 on my computer.  I am the only one who uses this computer, and I absolutely do not recall allowing MS offer to upgrade by clicking any button.  Now I am getting Carlson Registration Error 486, and Acad won't even load this evening.

    Not good.

    The update to Win10 causes you to have to re-register Carlson.  I've been through it with both of my machines.

  49. I bought a Windows 10 laptop last weekend.  It took a day to get it setup but now it works great.  I installed Carlson Survey 2008 with no issues.

    My wife's Windows 7 desktop keeps bugging us.  I'm for it but for the same reasons that Jim in Az has had, I'm reluctant, if it's a disaster it'll be my fault, of course.

  50. So far, so good, a far as 'Cortana' and most of the "new and improve" features, I have them turned off!

    Turning off Cortana stopped a lot of the churning on the HD and general bogginess.

  51. Thanks, Stephen.  That did it.  Now something is causing my I-backup offline storage not to work.  I guess it is a firewall filter in the new Windows 10.

  52. Peter,  Thanks for the article. 

    While I do believe that Windows 10 will ultimately be an improvement over our Windows 7 operating system at my firm, the sudden, unauthorized installation of it caused down time with our backup system and other software unexpectedly, right when we were starting our day at the office with deadlines to meet using our software, some of which was rendered useless at a critical time of the morning to meet schedules.  Even as late as Friday afternoon, I recognized a glitch with the Carlson Hydrology package–Windows 10 interface having to do with registration issues.  Luckily, Saturday Carlson Software got right on it and showed me what to do.  Had it not been for that, Windows 10 would have caused us to lose overtime work this weekend to meet a deadline Monday.  Our data backup system is still down.

  53. Well, for the first time in months, I started up my win10 machine. Have been battling for the past half hour with trying to simply copy something to a flash drive. Right clicking and attempting to chose copy appears to be causing windows explorer to crash.

    I seem to be able to copy the files using the keyboard commands.

    I might have a virus on another computer, have not figured that out yet.

  54. Well, for the first time in months, I started up my win10 machine. Have been battling for the past half hour with trying to simply copy something to a flash drive. Right clicking and attempting to chose copy appears to be causing windows explorer to crash.

    I seem to be able to copy the files using the keyboard commands.

    I might have a virus on another computer, have not figured that out yet.

    You may have thought of this already, but I would make sure you have all the latest updates. There's been some rather big (in terms of fixes and security) updates in the last several weeks, so it's probably worth checking.

  55. You may have thought of this already, but I would make sure you have all the latest updates. There's been some rather big (in terms of fixes and security) updates in the last several weeks, so it's probably worth checking.

    Yes, I thought of it, thank you. I actually attempted to download the said updates. No go. I am about to try again to see if they will download after the just performed reboot (which, in the past, has tended to solve numerous issues, right?)

    update already: downloading updates does Not look promising. At all. Again. Downloading updates remaining at 0%.

    Time to do another internet search for yet another windows issue…. Yes, last night, I switched my wireless connection to non metered.

  56. Here's something to try:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-update-troubleshooter

    It might also be a good idea to open an elevated command prompt (Start > type "cmd" > right-click on "Command Prompt" > select "Run as Administrator") then run the following commands:

    Scan the filesystem

    sfc /scannow

    Scan the Windows image for health issues

    dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth

    Check the Windows image for file corruption

    dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth

    Restore problems with the Windows image

    dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

    This last command will assume you have a Windows image on your computer to work from. If not, it may take some doing to get this to work.

    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh824869.aspx

  57. Well, I found something that seems to have worked for the moment:

    I found a solution to my problem when Windows would search for updates, but then when it started downloading it would stay at 0% forever. I started by stopping the Windows Update service (in my case the service proved to be frozen so I restarted my computer and disabled the service before it starts) and the Application Experience service. After that I went to the C:WindowsSoftwareDistribution folder and pressed ctrl+a and shift+delete to empty its contents. Mine contained more than 70,000 files so it took a while. I started Application Experience and enabled Windows Update. I let it check for updates and try to download them. It worked perfectly.Do not worry about deleting important windows files in this case. The contents of SoftwareDistribution is used as a cache and data for Windows Update. When Windows Update starts again it rebuilds the cache repopulating it with up-to-date versions of the files and chewing up a ton of harddisk space again.

    Updates seem to have downloaded and installing. Sitting at 20% for the moment.

  58. Pleasant when fixes are fairly easy.

    Still working on my other computer's issue. Avast virus protection keeps blocking some "plugin.exe" files from running. I'm guessing it has something to do with a virus, but can not confirm it yet. It could be an issue with Avast as far as I know.

  59. Still working on my other computer's issue. Avast virus protection keeps blocking some "plugin.exe" files from running. I'm guessing it has something to do with a virus, but can not confirm it yet. It could be an issue with Avast as far as I know.

    IMVHO, Avast acts the same way a trojan works. It takes over everything on your computer and cripples how it operates.

    I installed Malewarebytes Anti-Maleware and it does a good job with a regular dose of Super Anti-Spyware and operate totally thru wifi only, no hardwires to computers.

    0.02

  60. IMVHO, Avast acts the same way a trojan works. It takes over everything on your computer and cripples how it operates.

    I installed Malewarebytes Anti-Maleware and it does a good job with a regular dose of Super Anti-Spyware and operate totally thru wifi only, no hardwires to computers.

    0.02

    I started using Avast and AVG to get away from Norton and McAfee which are both pretty bad (imo) these days.

    I have had issues with both Avast and AVG over the years and am open to new possibilities, so thank you for the suggestion.

  61. Yep, I'm not a fan of Avast (anymore).

    When trying to remove pests from a computer, I rely pretty heavily on these guys, because they are awesome:

    I do like Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware, however it rarely finds anything even when the two above do. There is another tool from Malwarebytes that most folks aren't aware of, and I install it whenever anyone asks for help:

  62. I dropped Avast several years ago when it let a major bad thing install right behind it.

    My ISP provides Kaspersky which works reasonably well.

  63. In Windows 10, I have no third party antivirus or antimalware software installed. Didn't have any in 8.1 either. I only use this other stuff for friends and family in need, most of whom are running Windows 7.

  64. I dropped Avast several years ago when it let a major bad thing install right behind it.

    My ISP provides Kaspersky which works reasonably well.

    Dave: does your new W10 laptop have "auto update" set to on by default?

  65. Dave: does your new W10 laptop have "auto update" set to on by default?

    I haven't looked at that but probably the answer is yes, okay almost certainly the answer is yes.

    At some point it will get to be an advantage to have CAD computers on dedicated systems not connected to the internet.  It was going that way in the early 1990s but Autodesk and Microsoft managed to head it off at the pass.

  66. I haven't looked at that but probably the answer is yes, okay almost certainly the answer is yes.

    At some point it will get to be an advantage to have CAD computers on dedicated systems not connected to the internet.  It was going that way in the early 1990s but Autodesk and Microsoft managed to head it off at the pass.

    From my experience, there just might be something to consider before taking computers completely off line now. From what I've seen, Windows will now complain that it is not authorized if it can not reach out and touch the Microslop servers. After a period of time, 30 days if memory serves, Windows may be somewhat crippled by design (reduced functionality for having an "illegal' product).

    If one has Microslop Office on the computer, I believe it has the same need to reach out and touch Microslop and might have diminished capacity after a period of time as well.

    I am pretty sure there are other programs that have the need to reach out to their servers to authenticate as well. What will be the effect of not being able to reach the servers?

  67. From my experience, there just might be something to consider before taking computers completely off line now. From what I've seen, Windows will now complain that it is not authorized if it can not reach out and touch the Microslop servers. After a period of time, 30 days if memory serves, Windows may be somewhat crippled by design (reduced functionality for having an "illegal' product).

    If one has Microslop Office on the computer, I believe it has the same need to reach out and touch Microslop and might have diminished capacity after a period of time as well.

    I am pretty sure there are other programs that have the need to reach out to their servers to authenticate as well. What will be the effect of not being able to reach the servers?

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    Take a look at this link – 30 ways Windows calls home

    http://www.howtogeek.com/224616/30-ways-windows-10-phones-home/

  68. At some point it will get to be an advantage to have CAD computers on dedicated systems not connected to the internet.

    I have already done that. It was quick and painless. Zero hardware investment. Time investment is Lass than a typical "automatic update" and reboots.

    Instructions on request.

  69. From my experience, there just might be something to consider before taking computers completely off line now. From what I've seen, Windows will now complain that it is not authorized if it can not reach out and touch the Microslop servers. After a period of time, 30 days if memory serves, Windows may be somewhat crippled by design (reduced functionality for having an "illegal' product).

    If one has Microslop Office on the computer, I believe it has the same need to reach out and touch Microslop and might have diminished capacity after a period of time as well.

    I am pretty sure there are other programs that have the need to reach out to their servers to authenticate as well. What will be the effect of not being able to reach the servers?

    Yes, I am aware of that.  We had one of our laptops not connect to the internet for one reason or another for over a month and I.T. had to get it going again.  Not good.  Often I don't need to connect my laptop, e-mail comes to my phone when I'm on the road and I use my iPad for personal stuff.  I never do personal stuff on my work laptop, that's for work only.  It really doesn't need to connect, I just use it for backing up the day's data (transferred onto a USB flash drive from the TSC2 then onto the computer from the flash drive).  Sometimes I process data in the evening but that doesn't require a connection either.  Most of the time the wifi is turned off.  I have a patch cable on my desk in the office to connect it to the servers so I can transfer the week's data off onto the servers.

  70. I have already done that. It was quick and painless. Zero hardware investment. Time investment is Lass than a typical "automatic update" and reboots.

    Instructions on request.

    If I was in private business, that is what I would do at this point.  Computers are so cheap.  Just run one on Windows XP, load my Surveying software on there, no security, no wifi, no connection, no nothing.  Nothing would slow it down except for me.

    Use a phone or other device for internet stuff, e-mail and the like.

    There is some advantage to having a computer connected to the internet, mostly easier to type, and iOS doesn't do Java which I need for my travel claim software, an on-line connection.

    Even your car is storing stuff now, maybe not uploading it just yet but close.  The Sac DA got a conviction on an insurance scam because the perpetrator had possession of the last key to start the car before the fire which was stored in the computer (the car was falsely reported stolen).  Every time you start your car there is a record; it stores on-going emissions data.  Can't get the vehicle smogged without driving it enough to have a sufficient record of emissions.

  71. I write slow, I missed a few comments.

    I cloned my Windows onto another drive, deleted the original about a year ago. I use Linux for 99%, when I need Acad I fireup my other drive (on the Same Computer) with all the legal software. Windows is confused. Something changed and it is afraid, very afraid. It now complains, it warns me that "illegal software is dangerous", claims it is "not genuine", etc. BS, it is genuine. Updates are 99% "phone home", the rest is to patch poorly written code… the kind that exposes you to bad guys IF you are connected to the internet.

    The danger is in Connecting Windows to the Internet.

  72. I've had my Win7Pro64 setup since Saturday night and after turning off auto updates on everything there has not been another window about Win10 to popup.

    Fingers crossed……….

  73. Yep, I'm not a fan of Avast (anymore).

    When trying to remove pests from a computer, I rely pretty heavily on these guys, because they are awesome:

    I do like Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware, however it rarely finds anything even when the two above do. There is another tool from Malwarebytes that most folks aren't aware of, and I install it whenever anyone asks for help:

    Just took the time to try a out adwcleaner. Caught some "stuff". Thank you, hopefully my computer is getting closer to being cleaner now.

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