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RADAR
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September 6, 2018 9:21 am  

Me: Hello, this is Doug

Him: Hi, how much is it to survey just one side of my property?

Me: Well, it usually takes as much time to survey just one side as it does to survey the whole thing, but I can take a look at it for you. what's the address?

I look it up on the county GIS:

1425

Me: It looks like you might be accessing your backyard through 2 of your neighbors properties, do you have an easement?

Him: No, but it's no big deal; that's not the side I want surveyed anyway. I just want the east side, in the back surveyed; how much is that?

Me: Well, like I said, I'd have to do a thorough survey and if you are accessing your property through your neighbors property; I'd have to show that on my survey.

Him: Never mind then...Click

 

Has anyone else ever been asked to withhold information from a survey? Would you do something like that?

 

Dougie

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One cup o joe
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September 6, 2018 9:39 am  

I have been asked this before. I send them on down the line!

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aliquot
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September 6, 2018 9:45 am  

Probably not a client you want to be working for, but sometimes it is actually possible  to survey "just one side". I don't see a problem with producing a survey of just one side in cases where a complete survey isn't required to be confident in that side. as long as the survey clearly only shows one side as surveyed. 

Some have claimed that their state standards don't allow this. If that was the case, then of course I would refuse to do it. 

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Norman Oklahoma
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September 6, 2018 9:58 am  

Last year a regular commercial client asked me to survey, very specifically,  the top of a stacked block retaining wall along a right of way on a house renovation.  These types of wall step back with each successive course. I tied the top and the bottom, and showed both on my sketch which I provided to the client. The top of the wall was clear of the right of way line, the bottom was not. 

A couple weeks later I got a call from a city inspector asking why I hadn't shown the bottom. Oh, but I did, says I.   It seems that the client had whited out the calls to the bottom of the wall.  I provided the inspector with my version and life goes on. When confronted with that Whitey said he didn't think it was a big deal. Live and learn.  

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A Harris
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September 6, 2018 10:02 am  

I was recently ask to remove the water line of a lake on his property.

It had nothing to do with the boundaries or location of monuments.

Off it came...........

Was recently ask to change the last name of a woman who had divorced since the date of the survey.

Could not comply with her request because that was her name at the time of my survey.

so, it depends upon the circumstance.

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Ken Salzmann
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September 6, 2018 10:07 am  

I would be OK with just a partial survey as the others have said.  I would also be sure the proposal the client would sign before I started work very clearly explained what I would, and would not include on the survey he was requesting.  No surprises after the partial survey is delivered.

Ken

 

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September 6, 2018 10:08 am  

I not sure that RCW requires that you show encroachments on a Record of Survey. Good practice dictates that you inform your client of encroachments that you uncover, but there is no need to gossip about it.   

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RADAR
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September 6, 2018 10:11 am  
Posted by: Norman Oklahoma

I not sure that RCW requires that you show encroachments on a Record of Survey. Good practice dictates that you inform your client of encroachments that you uncover, but there is no need to gossip about it.   

What would you tell the Judge, when he asks you why you didn't show the driveway, when the neighbors surveyor did?

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September 6, 2018 11:20 am  

I'd tell him that RCW does not require that I show topographic features on my ROS, unless they form part of the evidence used to determine the boundary. I'd tell him that I provided a sketch to my client showing areas of concern, but that I did not know that he did not have an easement, or even just a verbal agreement with the neighbor. 

I once worked for a guy, in Bellingham, who would say "we aren't here to solve the world's problems".  

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September 6, 2018 11:30 am  

I have surveyed 'one line' of a parcel numerous times. It doesn't mean I don't locate and evaluate the interdependent corners and lines, just that those lines won't be shown as surveyed in the legend or title.

As for 'withholding' info, I'm not sure if that applies here. If I investigated and declared every 'encroachment' on a gis map I'd never finish a survey. If I surveyed the line I would include evidence of possession and use. That's part of the boundary evidence...

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September 6, 2018 12:24 pm  

@dougie

"Would you do something like that?"

Absolutely not.

Also can someone explain what in hell is a "partial" survey???  🙄  

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MightyMoe
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September 6, 2018 12:31 pm  

I do it often, there is no need to survey 8 miles of boundary line when the landowner needs a particular mile staked.


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MightyMoe
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September 6, 2018 12:40 pm  

And to take it further, if you survey all four sides of a parcel, there are probably 2 or 3 neighbors that you are surveying for also and you are only surveying one of their lines, if you survey one of their lines shouldn't you have to finish their other three lines, and then you might have 8 more parcels to survey. I know sometimes it's necessary to figure out a whole neighborhood to do one lot, but sometimes it's not, depends.


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NEIL T
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September 6, 2018 1:15 pm  

 I’ve never had someone ask on a boundary survey for a removal.  A couple times a county surveyor has asked for an exact location of my curb split(used very rarely  when the public agency has removed their own swing ties, opps).

I have had contractors that were not paying for my services. try to limit my scope of an as-graded survey.  It turns out they were being paid on the percentage of work done and they are better at sending a bill then at final grading a site.

I’m sure that the caller would’ve hung up quicker if you had explained you would probably have to look for the corners on his South line to figure out the east line. I’ve always found that when you’re surveying neighbors tend to come out even if you don’t tell them what’s going on there is a good chance they put it together.     

A question for you all:

 Yesterday had my first instance of “we googled what a survey costs” and my price was way higher then google. Are boundary surveys really going for $200-$500 in other parts of the county?

Here in California the County review fee for a Record of Survey is $300-1,000. Or more. 


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Larry Best
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September 6, 2018 1:34 pm  

I would produce a "SURVEY OF ENCROACHMENTS BETWEEN PARCEL 14-25 AND PARCEL ???". The southern line of 14-25 would be off the paper as would most of his house and anything more than 15 feet from the line in question. There are more encroachments here than there are parcels. "we aren't here to solve the world's problems".  Just the ones we get paid for.


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