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“Land Surveyors” Trespassing and Causing Trouble
Posted by plumb-bill on December 4, 2018 at 5:52 pmI don’t think the crew says they’re land surveyors, seems like an environmental study:
http://www.krgv.com/story/39581350/surveyors-seen-on-private-property-without-permission
The price is unnecessarily inflammatory, but hey, if it bleeds it leads. Would be fun for the state association to push for a retraction or correction?
aggie03rls replied 5 years, 4 months ago 11 Members · 18 Replies- 18 Replies
Looked to me like the reporters were trespassing also!
“The crew apparently did not have the right to be there, no permissions were given or in effect.
Charge them or stop complaining is all a person can do.
I would have foreceable removed them, no matter who they mentioned to call.
They were rude, evasive and showed no identity and only left until they had finished.
They also went on to say when they would be back.
None of their markings would be there when they returned.”
Yeah, that is what would have happened if I had been there without permission.
National Butterfly Center director Mariana Trevino-Wright explains animals will not be seen on the property due to the land surveyors.
??The birds that you might find here during migration are not here now. They already made their way south. Even many of our species that are residential species have moved south for the winter,? she explains. ??For example, MDS came on the property this morning without checking in, without notifying us and their work crew just jumped the locked gate or went through the fence onto marked private property to conduct the survey.?
Ummm… I having trouble with this passage. It seems to say that the birds had already migrated south before the surveyors entered. And yet the surveyors are somehow responsible for there being no birds? Really – the piece is very poorly written, and written with a very obvious agenda.
Nevertheless these guys should be taking better care of entry notifications, right of entry law or not.
If you watch the video to the end it almost seems as if the property is in the process of being condemned. If that is the case then the landowner may be upset that they’re there, and they don’t technically “have their permission” – but they’re not transgressing any law or procedure.
From the article Dan share it looks like the engineering company notified that they’d be on site in advance.
- Posted by: Dan B. Robison
They are Surveyors:
Trying to keep my comments apolitical here…… this piece quotes several Democrats and not a single Republican….. hmmmm.
@Norman OK
No great conspiracy here they interviewed the Congressmen that represent the area. The Metro McAllen/Mission area lies in congressional districts 15 and 28, 15th is represented by Vincente Gonzalez (D) and 28th by Henry Cuellar (D). That being said, the article does seem to “lean” a bit left.
RRain
@Norman OK
No great conspiracy here they interviewed the Congressmen that represent the area. The Metro McAllen/Mission area lies in congressional districts 15 and 28, 15th is represented by Vincente Gonzalez (D) and 28th by Henry Cuellar (D). That being said, the article does seem to “lean” a bit left.
RRain
- Posted by: Plumb Bill
From the article Dan share it looks like the engineering company notified that they’d be on site in advance.
Did y’all notice that them there ‘Veyors are from ARKANSAS?
DDSM ? ?
Maybe the Land Surveyors, and the Environmental Guys do have s signed right of entry, but the environmental guys may not have followed the letter of the right of entry and call ahead to give notice. It looks to me like the only Land Surveyor I saw in the video, was standing on the neighbors property. If they are surveying for the wall, they may actually have right of entry on that land too. Maybe this is all FAKE NEWS.
I didn’t see any Land Surveyors, one guy had a Trimble mapping grade receiver. They are conducting some other type of study.
All the TV station did was let the lady talk but they didn’t actually track down the government agency and find out what the real story is. She’s just upset about people on her property. I guess she is the better story. They don’t even know those guys aren’t land surveyors.
I am a surveyor and object to those dudes not answering the land owners questions.
Would have dialed 911 given my location and give them the information that I was in fear of my life and that treaspassers were present on your land and would not leave and that they had arrows in hand.
I’d bet they would have answered the sherrif’s department or go directly to jail with me filing complaints and charges on the men in the film clip.
I just an ole country boy that ask in a freindly manner for them to identify themselves and give reason they are there and would want to see a card, ID and/or number to call immediately or else they would find themselves detained and possibly hogtied and bound until badges show up and take it from there.
I know of many neighbors and friends that would expect no less, even from law enforcement in civies.
Around here we at least expect a call or knock on the door requesting permission to be there.
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- Posted by: A Harris
…I just an ole country boy that ask in a freindly manner for them to identify themselves and give reason they are there and would want to see a card, ID and/or number to call immediately or else they would find themselves detained and possibly hogtied and bound until badges show up and take it from there.
I know of many neighbors and friends that would expect no less, even from law enforcement in civies.
Around here we at least expect a call or knock on the door requesting permission to be there.
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About 95% of my work is in rural areas and “sneakin ’round” without permission could be counterproductive to one’s longevity. Refusing to be straightforward when confronted is just foolish.
20 years ago I did a lot of turnpike work prior to R/W acquisition (spelled c-o-n-d-e-m-n-a-t-i-o-n). Most of the property owners were hostile. I learned a lot about etiquette…and lived.
An 8 1/2 x 14 court ordered right-of-entry letter provides little protection from a .223 round.
- Posted by: Norman OklahomaPosted by: Dan B. Robison
They are Surveyors:
Trying to keep my comments apolitical here…… this piece quotes several Democrats and not a single Republican….. hmmmm.
That being said but I tend to think independently and there seems to be a vacuum of Republican environment advocates. I disagree with the title of this article in Scientific American which is a magazine that I been a subscriber for decades. But it is interesting.
- Posted by: Norman OklahomaPosted by: Dan B. Robison
They are Surveyors:
Trying to keep my comments apolitical here…… this piece quotes several Democrats and not a single Republican….. hmmmm.
That being said but I tend to think independently and there seems to be a vacuum of Republican environment advocates. I disagree with the title of this article in Scientific American which is a magazine that I been a subscriber for decades. But it is interesting.
Alan, good article. This is one of those topics where people tend to camp out at the extremes. This is one of my favorite treatmenst of the subject:
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-efficient-is-energy-efficiency-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
They even ask “what is the right level of pollution”? If the answer is zero we’d better get our teepees ready 🙂
I work in very remote parts of the Sonoran Desert for most of my jobs. Like much of the SW it is made up of Large Ranches and checkerboarded with Fed, State Land, National Parks, Preserves, and Tribal Land. When you have a large scale project (100 sq mile +-) that crosses multiple properties, ranches, and or Govt. property, it is very difficult to find the actual “owner” or make contact with anybody that could give you permission. Most of these properties are in areas so remote they don’t have people living on them or even living quarters. A lot of the ranches are run by “hands” and they don’t usually have cell phones or even coverage for that matter. Not sure there is a black and white answer on what to do. We just try to use common sense “Cowboy Logic”, leave fencesgates how you found them, stay on the roads, put your beacon on, wear plenty of fluorescent GREEN or YELLOW. We don’t wear Orange because it makes you look like a hunter and private property owners don’t like trespassing hunters. We obviously try to make contact before we start as part of our pre planning. Getting the proper permits and access permission beforehand is always in the pre-con. Once on site, I will stop and talk with the local linemen, cop, ranger, city worker, or pedestrian. Basically, anyone that might be able to help us with finding a contact to get access. It also lets them know what we are doing so they can let others know. Word travels fast in small communities. Sometimes you just have to leave a card on the gate and hope they call. I’ve found that they usually do, but it might take a day or two. Desert dwellers are way out there for a reason. I respect that and try to be as apparent as possible when pulling up to make contact. I don’t care what your doing or not doing, I’m just trying to get from A to B. It pisses me off when Eco or Enviro people pretend they are Surveyors so they don’t get in trouble or shot for trespassing. It puts the rest of us in danger.
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