Does Civil 3D provide value to the typical surveyor?
I have been using Civil 3D for about 6 months coming from Carlson Survey on ICAD and so far I am not very impressed. Its a sluggish program with twitchy graphics. I am constantly waiting on it to catch up with me. The whole smart/dynamic entities, styles and survey database seem to add complexity without much return. I asked one of our Engineering techs in the office if they benefit much from us using survey figures and smart objects and he didn't think so. He actually didn't like Civil 3D trying to rescale our survey when he changes scale on his drawings. He would rather our survey remain static. Also, he didn't seem to care about the 3D survey figures. Not to mention that it is missing a ton of survey tools that Carlson has. So, does Civil 3D provide value to the typical surveyor?
If the engineers or clients are using models, C3D is a must. If I were a survey only shop with no engineer clients I wouldnt use it. Problem is, there really arent many places a survey only shop with no engineer clients can stay in business...
If the engineers or clients are using models, C3D is a must.
My engineering clients haven't said anything about the models I furnish. What's special about C3D in this regard?
...does Civil 3D provide value to the typical surveyor?
To the surveyor? No. To the engineer? Perhaps. Does the survey need to provide a product that the engineer can use seamlessly? Yes. So I'm going to be using C3d as long as the engineers I work with do.
In defense of C3d it is no worse than LDD was for surveyors. And it does have a reasonably good F2f functionality. It does things like import Lidar and export to KML which LDD never did. And I like that there is only one file to maintain track of.
Interesting that you ask this. We just had training for Civil 3D and the learning curve is significant.
We are currently using Land Desktop ver 2009 and are very happy with it. The issue is that we have never been so far behind in software versions than we are right now. We work with one main engineer, and some others, and as far as I know they all use Civil 3D. Things have been getting tougher to keep up with as the spread in software between us and them gets larger.
I have noticed that even with quick computers, it does appear to be sluggish as well. I am hoping that once we start using it we will find it to be faster but not sure yet. I am with you that I would rather not see the scale change objects which I am sure you can turn off somehow.
My biggest fear is points and point management. We have a good system down and it works very well for us for topos, boundaries and stake out work. None of this appears to work the same in Civil 3D. I also have noticed that when some of the engineers migrated to it there were fairly large issues associated with the learning curve.
We know others that have gone to Carlson and appear to be happy with it. At some point maybe I will try that also and see if it would be a better fit. At the moment though it appears to be Civil 3D in our future. I am hoping that it will be a worthwhile upgrade. I have heard others state that after the initial time investment it was very much worth it. I am again hoping that is the case!