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Jaccen
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Hello,

I was wondering if the community could help me.  I work for an engineering firm who has decided to branch out into the cadastral world.  We have Civil 3d and we plan on using it as our drafting program.  I have a good grasp on using C3D for "survey" and civil engineering purposes (ie. cogo point manipulation, styles, surface creation, alignments, profiles, pipe networks, corridors, survey database w/ field to finish, etc.).  That being said, I was wondering if the community had some resources for the cadastral side of the drafting/database management.  We only use the survey database for linework and surface creation and will be using an exterior adjustment software (ie. Starnet).  If addons are highly recommended/almost required, the ones you use would be awesome.

Things I would be interested in are things similar to the following:

-parcels (the Civil3d type -- of any value?)

-handling the grid to ground conversion (do so in C3D or externally?)

-coord/chord tables

-part tables

-land use schedules

-metes and bounds descriptions

-best practices for labeling (ie. bearings and distances)

 

 

I've come up with the following:

https://www.zentekconsultants.net/civil-3d-surveyors

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/civil-3d-forum/cadastral-workflow/td-p/8517605

Update: Canada Ontario Styles Kit for Civil 3D Now Available!

https://rplstoday.com/community/software-cad-mapping/who-has-experience-in-civil3d-2015-and-parcel-closures/

https://www.library.mto.gov.on.ca/SydneyPLUS/Sydney/Portal/default.aspx?component=AAAAIY&record=8c7cd6ea-160a-4986-a91b-d2defec19967

http://learning.aols.org/aols/MTO_Legal_Survey_Manual_Vol1_Legal_Plans_2010.pdf

http://clss.nrcan.gc.ca/clss/surveystandards-normesdarpentage/

http://www.xfer.mto.gov.on.ca/ptasapps/IESCAD/AutoCAD%20Standards%20Guide%20-%20Version%202004.pdf

 

Thanks!

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BStrand
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I used the parcel wizard (if that's what you're talking about) a little bit when I was in school and it seemed to work pretty slick, but my class projects were also fairly basic.  What I'm hearing in the real world is that it's sorta useless; I guess it's not easy to edit things after you use it.

I use legalaid for description writing so that might be an add-on worth looking into.

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Jaccen
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BStrand
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@jaccen

Yes, sir.

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TNRLS
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I used C3D for about two years and hated every time I used it for any survey work. Design, I loved it, but I strongly recommend looking into Carlson Survey. You've got the cad base it will piggy back off of. So your product is the same looking. But for the Surveyor in me, it is way more user friendly. JMO

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jt1950
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Overkill for cadastral parcel mapping

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BlitzkriegBob
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I don't do any cadastral work, but I guess my thought would be that this would be more geared toward Map 3D rather than Civil 3D, at least for the database side of it.  If that's the case, then I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would recommend Global Mapper as an alternative software  I have a little experience with Map 3D, and almost no experience with Global Mapper.

Here's one more link that I know nothing about.

Someone else mentioned Carlson (don't they always in Civil 3D threads?).  I've read enough of your posts to be impressed with your knowledge of Civil 3D.  I personally think you would be underwhelmed by Carlson.  In the year that I used it, I certainly was.  There are a lot of fans on this site, so obviously it fulfills the needs of countless surveyors, so YMMV.

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Jaccen
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@blitzkriegbob

Yes, for database/GIS work Global Mapper is pretty awesome.  I have version 11 that I use for DEM and Geotiff creation from public sources.  My most used sources are the Southwestern Ontario Orthophotography Project (SWOOP2010) ( https://www.ontario.ca/data/2010-digital-surface-model ) along with local municipality GIS websites.  I use it to convert the local municipality GIS exports from Web Mercator to whatever I like.  I then use it to create a small DEM from the SWOOP2010 data.  Combining the 2 gives the planning department a Q&D GIS grade legal boundary with elevations and an ortho image.  Export to DXF and they're off to the races.  Great for doing Q&D concepts for clients.  I highly recommend it as a "poor man's" alternative to Esri.

Many moons ago I used Microsurvey (circa 2007).  I, personally, never found it to be exceptional.  I was not a fan of its method of adjusting a traverse and it's drafting was largely similar to AutoCAD.  If one set up the control correctly and prechecked the FBK's, I could adjust 20+ topos of the crews to the control network in about 30 minutes of using the old DOS program.  Using Microsurvey's traverse adjust took me about 15 mintues per single topo.  It was a bitter pill to swallow.  I imagine PEBKAC was part of the reason, but once you learned all the shorcuts with the old DOS COGO's they were great for time efficiency.  That being said, C3D's adjustment is also garbage.

I have not used the Carlson desktop software.  I have become familiar with SurvCE due to it being on a number of pieces of our equipment.  From the website, it looks like a great product.  It would be a tough sell here due to A). it's different software than what everyone else is running (we have MEP running AutoCAD with packages, structural/architectural running Revit, and the civil side running C3D........we're already shackled to Autodesk for better or worse) and B). I've already invested close to 20 years of using AutoCAD and its descendants. This dog loves learning new tricks, but it comes down to time invested vs. payoff for the "Boss man."  He understands Autodesk...........so I have to also.

We're not necessarily looking to have a huge database on the lot fabric.  Taking your suggestion as to Map3D, this looks to be the most we would use it:

I can assure you that you need not be impressed with my knowledge of C3D.  I put lines and text on a screen--people just happen to pay me for it 😉   I also have noted that you know it's ins and outs and greatly appreciate your comments on it.  Cheers!

 

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thebionicman
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@jaccen

The biggest issue with Civil3D will be the divergent tracks end users take. You will have to pick a track which for your data. That will limit your talent pool or lead to endless 'retraining' of good people.

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